1 00:00:14,101 --> 00:00:17,221 When you learn that there's been a fatal shooting in Berkeley, 2 00:00:17,381 --> 00:00:20,101 your first instinct is kind of like, "Well, that's weird." 3 00:00:20,261 --> 00:00:22,301 You kind of automatically assume 4 00:00:22,461 --> 00:00:24,621 there's going to be some sort of crazy story behind it. 5 00:00:26,141 --> 00:00:28,341 These were two longtime friends. 6 00:00:28,501 --> 00:00:30,981 How could something get so out of hand 7 00:00:31,141 --> 00:00:32,581 that it ended up in murder? 8 00:00:34,021 --> 00:00:37,261 You've just killed one of your closest friends. 9 00:00:37,421 --> 00:00:38,781 They're on the ground, clearly dead. 10 00:00:38,941 --> 00:00:41,221 They've got gunshot wounds to their head. 11 00:00:41,381 --> 00:00:43,781 You know, a lot of people would have a panic attack. 12 00:00:45,541 --> 00:00:47,141 We want his side of the story 13 00:00:47,301 --> 00:00:49,541 of why did you do these certain things? 14 00:00:49,701 --> 00:00:51,221 Why did you put the gun underneath him? 15 00:00:51,381 --> 00:00:54,621 What were you trying to display to the police or to the authorities? 16 00:00:56,301 --> 00:00:59,781 And then, a woman in her 20s shows up at a hospital. 17 00:00:59,941 --> 00:01:01,901 She's been walking around with a bullet 18 00:01:02,061 --> 00:01:03,901 in her shoulder for several hours. 19 00:01:05,701 --> 00:01:08,021 You're a witness to a homicide. 20 00:01:08,181 --> 00:01:09,741 What happens if you don't play ball? 21 00:01:11,341 --> 00:01:13,261 In this particular case, unfortunately, 22 00:01:13,421 --> 00:01:16,461 what grandma did is she participated in a coverup. 23 00:01:17,861 --> 00:01:20,101 She tried to let her grandson get away with murder. 24 00:01:21,861 --> 00:01:25,221 I've never seen an instance where somebody dragged their grandma in 25 00:01:25,381 --> 00:01:27,301 to cover up for a homicide before. 26 00:01:28,981 --> 00:01:32,661 Somebody's fingerprints would be on it because the gun was used. 27 00:01:32,821 --> 00:01:36,141 So somebody wiped the fingerprints off. 28 00:01:37,501 --> 00:01:40,821 So there's something wrong. There goes the red flag. 29 00:01:40,981 --> 00:01:42,621 Because we know what we're looking for. 30 00:01:42,781 --> 00:01:44,621 But someone staging the scene does not. 31 00:01:46,701 --> 00:01:49,221 You've just got to think that, if cooler heads had prevailed there, 32 00:01:49,381 --> 00:01:51,301 everybody's life would be so much better. 33 00:02:03,301 --> 00:02:05,741 California is, like, a melting pot. 34 00:02:05,901 --> 00:02:07,701 There's a lot of different kinds of people. 35 00:02:07,861 --> 00:02:10,461 You get a lot of... a little bit of everything out here. 36 00:02:12,941 --> 00:02:15,941 San Francisco Bay area is a really big region. 37 00:02:16,101 --> 00:02:17,381 Other than Los Angeles, 38 00:02:17,541 --> 00:02:20,101 it's probably the biggest part of California. 39 00:02:23,141 --> 00:02:24,981 Berkeley, California, specifically, 40 00:02:25,141 --> 00:02:28,741 it's always kind of been known as... sort of a peaceful area 41 00:02:28,901 --> 00:02:31,701 that has kind of a hippie vibe to it. 42 00:02:33,541 --> 00:02:35,381 Even though there's a million people around, 43 00:02:35,541 --> 00:02:36,701 like, in every direction, 44 00:02:36,861 --> 00:02:39,341 you always kind of had this small town vibe in Berkeley, 45 00:02:39,501 --> 00:02:42,221 where there was this real sense of community. 46 00:02:43,741 --> 00:02:46,541 Even though it's right next to the murder capital 47 00:02:46,701 --> 00:02:48,501 of Northern California, which is Oakland. 48 00:02:57,141 --> 00:02:59,501 Sacory was very athletic. 49 00:03:00,541 --> 00:03:03,021 I taught him how to ride a bike, actually. 50 00:03:04,021 --> 00:03:06,381 He was three, 51 00:03:06,541 --> 00:03:09,421 and I remember doing that with a neighbour's bike. 52 00:03:09,581 --> 00:03:12,181 And then, after that, he assumed it was his bike. 53 00:03:12,341 --> 00:03:13,981 So whenever he came over, 54 00:03:14,141 --> 00:03:16,301 he'll go down to the neighbourhood and take their bike, 55 00:03:16,461 --> 00:03:18,221 and they'll come knock on the door. 56 00:03:18,381 --> 00:03:20,101 "Hey, Tomorrow, Sacory has my bike," 57 00:03:20,261 --> 00:03:22,621 and I'm chasing him, and he's going so fast. 58 00:03:25,701 --> 00:03:27,661 He loved children. He loved kids. 59 00:03:27,821 --> 00:03:30,181 So, at a young age, he always told my mom 60 00:03:30,341 --> 00:03:31,861 he wanted to have a baby. 61 00:03:34,861 --> 00:03:36,981 Me and Sacory, it was just us. 62 00:03:37,141 --> 00:03:40,061 Like, there's no other siblings, so we were very close. 63 00:03:40,221 --> 00:03:43,861 And growing up, he was, like, a handful. 64 00:03:44,021 --> 00:03:46,141 He was very, like, rambunctious 65 00:03:46,301 --> 00:03:48,301 and very outgoing. 66 00:03:48,461 --> 00:03:50,221 We told each other everything. 67 00:03:54,261 --> 00:03:56,101 He didn't get in too much trouble at school 68 00:03:56,261 --> 00:03:58,381 except for rapping in class a lot... 69 00:03:58,541 --> 00:04:01,421 ...making little beats on the desk, 70 00:04:01,581 --> 00:04:03,861 but just teenage stuff. 71 00:04:07,541 --> 00:04:11,261 My brother wanted to be a rapper. 72 00:04:11,421 --> 00:04:13,581 He started getting his self into music... 73 00:04:15,861 --> 00:04:18,221 ...and started trying to take that seriously. 74 00:04:27,941 --> 00:04:30,661 This starts with a woman in her 70s calls 911 75 00:04:30,821 --> 00:04:33,061 to report that there's a man there 76 00:04:33,221 --> 00:04:35,101 suffering a gunshot wound, 77 00:04:35,261 --> 00:04:37,421 and that she thinks it might be a suicide. 78 00:04:39,941 --> 00:04:42,861 But right off the bat, she's sort of very evasive, 79 00:04:43,021 --> 00:04:46,141 and it's kind of unclear exactly what's going on. 80 00:04:51,181 --> 00:04:55,221 This call was made around 9:30 on a May evening, 81 00:04:55,381 --> 00:04:57,141 and it's a time of year where it's dark, 82 00:04:57,301 --> 00:04:59,661 but it's not, like, too late at night. 83 00:04:59,821 --> 00:05:02,261 This is, like, a typical 84 00:05:02,421 --> 00:05:04,861 residential neighbourhood in Berkeley. 85 00:05:05,021 --> 00:05:08,021 1,300 square foot house, three bedroom, two bath. 86 00:05:10,261 --> 00:05:12,421 Police arrive on the scene... 87 00:05:12,581 --> 00:05:14,941 ...and what they find is 88 00:05:15,101 --> 00:05:17,621 a young man basically laying in a pool of blood 89 00:05:17,781 --> 00:05:21,301 with a pistol sort of tucked underneath him. 90 00:05:21,461 --> 00:05:23,101 And, obviously, from the scene, 91 00:05:23,261 --> 00:05:25,821 the... the implication right there is 92 00:05:25,981 --> 00:05:27,901 that this was the gun that was used to kill him. 93 00:05:30,501 --> 00:05:32,581 One of the first things that they realise 94 00:05:32,741 --> 00:05:34,221 that's a possible red flag is 95 00:05:34,381 --> 00:05:37,501 that there are three shell casings found inside the house, 96 00:05:37,661 --> 00:05:40,261 which is a little unusual in a suicide. 97 00:05:41,421 --> 00:05:43,421 Especially when they find somebody 98 00:05:43,581 --> 00:05:45,581 suffering from a gunshot wound to the head. 99 00:05:48,341 --> 00:05:50,421 Sacory Knight was 22. 100 00:05:50,581 --> 00:05:53,541 He was suffering from a gunshot wound 101 00:05:53,701 --> 00:05:55,941 to his cheek and to his ear, 102 00:05:56,101 --> 00:05:57,581 like, below his left ear, I believe. 103 00:05:57,741 --> 00:06:00,461 And, sometimes, there's an entry wound and an exit wound. 104 00:06:00,621 --> 00:06:02,341 And so, you see two bullet holes. 105 00:06:02,501 --> 00:06:03,741 You think it means two gunshots, 106 00:06:03,901 --> 00:06:05,861 but it could just be the trajectory of the bullet. 107 00:06:06,021 --> 00:06:09,421 So police are still looking at this as like a possible suicide, 108 00:06:09,581 --> 00:06:11,621 especially after finding the gun 109 00:06:11,781 --> 00:06:13,781 underneath his body. 110 00:06:16,101 --> 00:06:18,021 But they do a clean sweep of the house, 111 00:06:18,181 --> 00:06:22,021 and they find two other firearms in two different bedrooms of the home. 112 00:06:22,181 --> 00:06:25,701 And one is in the room of the grandmother 113 00:06:25,861 --> 00:06:27,141 who made the 911 call, 114 00:06:27,301 --> 00:06:30,221 and the other is actually found in the victim's room, 115 00:06:30,381 --> 00:06:31,901 in Sacory's room. 116 00:06:37,581 --> 00:06:40,021 I was at home, and I want to say 117 00:06:40,181 --> 00:06:43,381 it was about 2:00am, and I got a call. 118 00:06:43,541 --> 00:06:46,141 And it was a man on the line, 119 00:06:46,301 --> 00:06:48,381 and he told me that he was the coroner 120 00:06:48,541 --> 00:06:51,261 and that he needed to speak with Tomorrow Gaut. 121 00:06:51,421 --> 00:06:52,621 I said, "This is her." 122 00:06:52,781 --> 00:06:56,221 And he said, "I am sorry to contact you, 123 00:06:56,381 --> 00:06:59,901 but I have your nephew, Sacory Knight." 124 00:07:00,061 --> 00:07:02,541 And I was like, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 125 00:07:02,701 --> 00:07:05,581 I'll call back in five minutes." At that time, I hung up. 126 00:07:05,741 --> 00:07:09,141 I called my nephew. No answer. Not like him. 127 00:07:09,301 --> 00:07:11,861 I call my nephew one more time. No answer. 128 00:07:12,021 --> 00:07:14,461 At the time, he was dating a young lady. 129 00:07:14,621 --> 00:07:15,901 I contacted her phone. 130 00:07:16,061 --> 00:07:18,701 No answer. I contact again. 131 00:07:18,861 --> 00:07:21,781 That five minutes went by, and that the coroner called me back. 132 00:07:23,621 --> 00:07:26,821 At this time, I'm very upset. 133 00:07:26,981 --> 00:07:28,621 I'm shooken. 134 00:07:28,781 --> 00:07:32,381 I am screaming at the top of my lungs. 135 00:07:32,541 --> 00:07:35,101 My kids woke up, and they're looking at me, 136 00:07:35,261 --> 00:07:37,061 and I'm on the phone with the coroner. 137 00:07:37,221 --> 00:07:40,181 And I said, "How do you know it is Sacory Knight? 138 00:07:40,341 --> 00:07:43,661 Tell me. Sacory has dark skin." I was like, "Is he handsome? 139 00:07:43,821 --> 00:07:45,781 Does he have facial hair?" "Yes." 140 00:07:45,941 --> 00:07:48,101 "Does he have tattoos?" "Yes." 141 00:07:48,261 --> 00:07:51,901 At that time, Sacory had just got a fresh tattoo. 142 00:07:52,061 --> 00:07:55,061 He had on his arm his grandmother's name. 143 00:07:55,221 --> 00:07:58,381 His grandmother on his father's side is Theresa. 144 00:07:58,541 --> 00:08:01,781 His grandmother on his mother's side is Brenda. 145 00:08:01,941 --> 00:08:04,741 When the coroner told me those tattoos, 146 00:08:04,901 --> 00:08:06,981 I still didn't want to believe it. 147 00:08:14,861 --> 00:08:18,021 Senetria at the time, she just had her daughter. 148 00:08:18,181 --> 00:08:21,301 She just buried her father. So I'm trying to hold it together, 149 00:08:21,461 --> 00:08:25,461 driving down the road 20 minutes to the other side of Sacramento. 150 00:08:25,621 --> 00:08:28,741 I'm knocking on her door. She's not answering. 151 00:08:28,901 --> 00:08:31,541 So, now, my mind is going everywhere. "What's going on?" 152 00:08:31,701 --> 00:08:33,381 Finally, she opens the door, 153 00:08:33,541 --> 00:08:36,701 and I had to deliver the news of her brother's passing, 154 00:08:36,861 --> 00:08:39,301 which the hardest thing I ever had to do. 155 00:08:45,301 --> 00:08:48,901 My reaction when I first found out is just... 156 00:08:49,061 --> 00:08:50,541 like, I was just in disbelief. 157 00:08:50,701 --> 00:08:51,741 Like, I was just confused. 158 00:08:51,901 --> 00:08:55,541 Like, he was just postin' on social media the night before. 159 00:08:57,181 --> 00:08:59,861 It took a while for it to register. 160 00:09:02,701 --> 00:09:05,381 And at this point, we still don't know anything 161 00:09:05,541 --> 00:09:07,261 except that he is dead. 162 00:09:08,101 --> 00:09:10,741 We don't know car accident. 163 00:09:10,901 --> 00:09:13,781 We don't know anything. 164 00:09:16,141 --> 00:09:18,141 Police who are well trained are trained 165 00:09:18,301 --> 00:09:21,901 to treat suicides as homicides, 166 00:09:22,061 --> 00:09:24,741 so that they're alert to anything 167 00:09:24,901 --> 00:09:26,661 that might suggest 168 00:09:26,821 --> 00:09:29,101 that this, in fact, is a homicide. 169 00:09:31,221 --> 00:09:35,261 When police arrived, they find... the decedent, Sacory, 170 00:09:35,421 --> 00:09:38,821 and realised he's been shot twice in the head, 171 00:09:38,981 --> 00:09:40,981 and the gun is under his body. 172 00:09:41,141 --> 00:09:44,301 That would raise immediate suspicions, 173 00:09:44,461 --> 00:09:47,461 because, although we do have suicides 174 00:09:47,621 --> 00:09:50,141 that have shot themselves twice, 175 00:09:50,301 --> 00:09:52,021 it's rare. 176 00:09:52,181 --> 00:09:55,501 And the gun would not typically be under a person's body. 177 00:09:55,661 --> 00:09:58,701 It would suggest that they were able to move around. 178 00:10:02,141 --> 00:10:04,301 They determined that the death had actually taken place 179 00:10:04,461 --> 00:10:06,461 30 minutes before the 911 call. 180 00:10:06,621 --> 00:10:09,261 There has to be a reason why there's that delay in reporting. 181 00:10:09,421 --> 00:10:10,781 That has to be covered. 182 00:10:10,941 --> 00:10:14,181 So, now, the only person who can tell you that is the grandma. 183 00:10:17,581 --> 00:10:20,501 One of the big red flags in the beginning is, 184 00:10:20,661 --> 00:10:24,141 why did this woman wait 30, 40 minutes to call 911 185 00:10:24,301 --> 00:10:26,181 after the shooting occurred? 186 00:10:27,021 --> 00:10:29,141 Somebody discovers a body with gunshot wounds, 187 00:10:29,301 --> 00:10:33,141 they're going to rush to the phone, and maybe even under the false hope 188 00:10:33,301 --> 00:10:35,901 that the paramedics are going to be able to save the person, you know? 189 00:10:36,061 --> 00:10:38,261 But to wait 30 minutes? I mean, right off the bat, 190 00:10:38,421 --> 00:10:40,381 there's got to be more to this story. 191 00:10:42,301 --> 00:10:44,181 It certainly looks suspicious. 192 00:10:44,341 --> 00:10:47,181 It looks like she intentionally delayed police 193 00:10:47,341 --> 00:10:51,461 to give her grandson enough time to get away 194 00:10:51,621 --> 00:10:53,821 and to stage the scene. 195 00:10:55,421 --> 00:10:57,701 What it looks like is... 196 00:10:57,861 --> 00:11:00,341 accessory after the fact. 197 00:11:01,821 --> 00:11:05,821 Anything that interferes with the police investigation intentionally 198 00:11:05,981 --> 00:11:08,501 makes you an accessory after the fact. 199 00:11:10,461 --> 00:11:13,381 The first thing I knew was that he got shot. 200 00:11:13,541 --> 00:11:16,821 I didn't know where, I didn't know why, 201 00:11:16,981 --> 00:11:20,101 and I didn't know who he was with. 202 00:11:20,261 --> 00:11:24,301 And then, I think it took about a few hours 203 00:11:24,461 --> 00:11:26,181 for me to start finding things out. 204 00:11:32,741 --> 00:11:35,101 For me to find out that my nephew was murdered 205 00:11:35,261 --> 00:11:37,381 in the home that he was supposed to feel safe, 206 00:11:37,541 --> 00:11:40,381 with people that gave them 207 00:11:40,541 --> 00:11:42,741 the title of grandmother and brother... 208 00:11:42,901 --> 00:11:44,541 is really upsetting. 209 00:11:45,421 --> 00:11:48,221 He was supposed to feel safe where he lay his head, 210 00:11:48,381 --> 00:11:50,301 and that didn't happen. 211 00:11:53,861 --> 00:11:57,181 The detectives asked me if he was depressed, 212 00:11:57,341 --> 00:11:59,741 or if I thought it could have been a suicide, 213 00:11:59,901 --> 00:12:02,181 and I said, "Absolutely not" right away. 214 00:12:09,461 --> 00:12:12,701 It's pretty clear, I think, to detectives right away 215 00:12:12,861 --> 00:12:16,021 that there's a whole lot of people living in this house. 216 00:12:19,261 --> 00:12:20,741 If you have a home where there's a whole lot 217 00:12:20,901 --> 00:12:22,861 of different people living there, and police show up, 218 00:12:23,021 --> 00:12:25,581 and there's one dead person who was a resident 219 00:12:25,741 --> 00:12:29,421 and one woman who made the 911 call, 220 00:12:29,581 --> 00:12:32,021 first of all, it begs the question of where is everybody else, 221 00:12:32,181 --> 00:12:34,301 and what happened here, and where did they all go, 222 00:12:34,461 --> 00:12:37,381 and why were the two of them alone 223 00:12:37,541 --> 00:12:39,621 when he apparently decides to kill himself? 224 00:12:43,181 --> 00:12:45,021 The police are still processing the scene, 225 00:12:45,181 --> 00:12:48,861 and they interview this 73-year-old woman, Linetta, 226 00:12:49,021 --> 00:12:51,221 and they get the first story from her. 227 00:12:52,261 --> 00:12:54,141 What they come to learn is 228 00:12:54,301 --> 00:12:56,621 that Linetta was living there with her grandson, uh... 229 00:12:56,781 --> 00:12:58,621 Devin Carrihill, 230 00:12:58,781 --> 00:13:01,501 and then, Sacory Knight had a bedroom, 231 00:13:01,661 --> 00:13:02,901 and he had a girlfriend, 232 00:13:03,061 --> 00:13:05,501 and she would often stay overnight, stuff like that. 233 00:13:07,421 --> 00:13:11,181 Now, all these people are potential persons of interest or suspects, 234 00:13:11,341 --> 00:13:13,221 or at the very least, potential witnesses 235 00:13:13,381 --> 00:13:15,661 to exactly what happened. 236 00:13:15,821 --> 00:13:18,261 But she's not telling them everything. 237 00:13:18,421 --> 00:13:20,661 And she's claiming, "I was in my room. 238 00:13:20,821 --> 00:13:23,661 I heard a gunshot. I came outside. I found him like this." 239 00:13:25,421 --> 00:13:27,821 In the police mind, they're not getting, like, 240 00:13:27,981 --> 00:13:30,541 a full story that really explains what they've come upon. 241 00:13:33,581 --> 00:13:35,421 They already know the grandmother is not 242 00:13:35,581 --> 00:13:37,541 telling them the whole truth... 243 00:13:37,701 --> 00:13:39,381 and that, for some reason, 244 00:13:39,541 --> 00:13:42,341 she's giving a story that appears to be a cover up. 245 00:13:44,381 --> 00:13:47,581 They have to expand the investigation beyond her. 246 00:13:49,981 --> 00:13:52,821 This is a rapidly developing situation. 247 00:13:54,461 --> 00:13:58,141 Given the fact that there's no one else there, 248 00:13:58,301 --> 00:13:59,901 IF this was a homicide, 249 00:14:00,061 --> 00:14:01,781 then your killer could be making a break for it. 250 00:14:15,221 --> 00:14:18,661 You can't assume anything in a criminal investigation. 251 00:14:20,181 --> 00:14:21,701 Even though there's a gun found 252 00:14:21,861 --> 00:14:24,181 directly underneath Sacory Knight's body, 253 00:14:24,341 --> 00:14:26,341 you still have to make sure 254 00:14:26,501 --> 00:14:29,181 the other two firearms weren't the murder weapon. 255 00:14:30,861 --> 00:14:32,701 And you also have to make sure that the gun 256 00:14:32,861 --> 00:14:35,461 that was found underneath him WAS the weapon that killed him. 257 00:14:35,621 --> 00:14:39,061 And if none of the guns were, then, you have to track it down, 258 00:14:39,221 --> 00:14:41,021 figure out what happened there. 259 00:14:43,061 --> 00:14:45,181 And obviously, police are going to want to know 260 00:14:45,341 --> 00:14:48,741 whose prints are on that gun, whose DNA is on that gun. 261 00:14:48,901 --> 00:14:50,541 Then, they also have to figure out who owned it, 262 00:14:50,701 --> 00:14:54,661 and how it came to be in Sacory's apparent possession. 263 00:14:56,701 --> 00:14:58,461 The pistol had been wiped. 264 00:14:58,621 --> 00:15:01,381 Now, you can wipe a gun to a certain extent 265 00:15:01,541 --> 00:15:03,421 so that it's almost completely clean. 266 00:15:03,581 --> 00:15:06,101 You can also wipe a gun in a way that leaves clear evidence 267 00:15:06,261 --> 00:15:08,461 that the gun has been wiped if you don't do it properly. 268 00:15:08,621 --> 00:15:10,981 But of course, the crucial issue in this instance is 269 00:15:11,141 --> 00:15:13,341 that this is supposed to be a suicide, 270 00:15:13,501 --> 00:15:15,101 and it can't be a suicide, 271 00:15:15,261 --> 00:15:18,461 and then have the gun being wiped afterwards. 272 00:15:20,421 --> 00:15:23,701 All three guns were 40 calibre guns that were found in the house. 273 00:15:23,861 --> 00:15:26,381 At that point, all three of them could technically be 274 00:15:26,541 --> 00:15:28,901 the weapon that was used, and if one of them was, 275 00:15:29,061 --> 00:15:31,261 and it's not the gun directly underneath Sacory's body, 276 00:15:31,421 --> 00:15:33,981 then that would definitely be indicative 277 00:15:34,141 --> 00:15:35,461 of a staged crime scene. 278 00:15:40,621 --> 00:15:42,741 One of the key things I would want to happen quickly 279 00:15:42,901 --> 00:15:45,141 would be the postmortem examination, 280 00:15:45,301 --> 00:15:47,021 because the pathologist will determine 281 00:15:47,181 --> 00:15:51,021 whether one or both of these wounds was fatal. 282 00:15:51,181 --> 00:15:54,661 Plainly, if they are both fatal wounds, this can't be a suicide. 283 00:15:57,421 --> 00:16:01,141 You can actually tell from the shape of the wound... 284 00:16:01,301 --> 00:16:03,621 whether it went in at an angle or not. 285 00:16:08,741 --> 00:16:12,061 The police would have to consider Linetta as a possible suspect. 286 00:16:13,141 --> 00:16:15,461 At this point, they don't know who pulled the trigger, 287 00:16:15,621 --> 00:16:17,101 and she's the only person there. 288 00:16:17,261 --> 00:16:18,581 And you can't just say, 289 00:16:18,741 --> 00:16:21,661 "Oh, she's 73. She couldn't have possibly done it." 290 00:16:21,821 --> 00:16:25,101 You know, as a homicide investigator, you can't do that. 291 00:16:25,261 --> 00:16:28,221 So, the first thing that they have to do is eliminate her as a suspect 292 00:16:28,381 --> 00:16:31,341 and make sure that, as a witness, she's telling them the truth. 293 00:16:35,621 --> 00:16:39,301 If you look at the Bay area, it's sort of this web of freeways, 294 00:16:39,461 --> 00:16:41,461 and they go in every direction, 295 00:16:41,621 --> 00:16:43,421 and there's a million different ways 296 00:16:43,581 --> 00:16:45,301 that you can get out of here in a hurry. 297 00:16:46,341 --> 00:16:48,821 And there's so many places that a person could lie low 298 00:16:48,981 --> 00:16:50,701 if they were trying to evade the police. 299 00:16:53,781 --> 00:16:56,381 And, sometimes, people will even flee the area 300 00:16:56,541 --> 00:16:58,541 because they don't want to be a witness, you know? 301 00:16:58,701 --> 00:17:01,021 Talking to the cops is really stigmatised out here. 302 00:17:03,581 --> 00:17:05,101 Even if it's a suicide, 303 00:17:05,261 --> 00:17:07,781 there's reasons that people would just want to keep a low profile 304 00:17:07,941 --> 00:17:09,781 and get out of Dodge, 305 00:17:09,941 --> 00:17:12,461 even if they weren't directly involved in anything wrong. 306 00:17:15,141 --> 00:17:17,821 As soon as investigators find out that... 307 00:17:17,981 --> 00:17:21,461 the grandmother took over a half hour to call police, 308 00:17:21,621 --> 00:17:23,661 that means that the perpetrator would have had 309 00:17:23,821 --> 00:17:25,581 a 30-minute lead on them, 310 00:17:25,741 --> 00:17:28,221 and that would be enough time to get out of the neighbourhood, 311 00:17:28,381 --> 00:17:30,021 possibly get out of the state. 312 00:17:32,021 --> 00:17:34,821 And it would be difficult to track them down. 313 00:17:38,421 --> 00:17:40,021 So I think what you're seeing here is 314 00:17:40,181 --> 00:17:42,421 just sort of the mystery starting to develop 315 00:17:42,581 --> 00:17:44,861 and police really ramping up the need 316 00:17:45,021 --> 00:17:47,461 to track down everybody who might have been in the house. 317 00:17:49,581 --> 00:17:51,381 The only thing that's clear at this point is 318 00:17:51,541 --> 00:17:53,061 it's not entirely clear. 319 00:18:02,101 --> 00:18:05,541 It's been about three hours since the initial 911 call 320 00:18:05,701 --> 00:18:08,461 when the bombshell drops, 321 00:18:08,621 --> 00:18:11,421 which is a woman in her 20s shows up 322 00:18:11,581 --> 00:18:14,781 about 30 miles away at a hospital, 323 00:18:14,941 --> 00:18:17,221 telling the nurses there 324 00:18:17,381 --> 00:18:20,341 that she was shot in Berkeley. 325 00:18:22,901 --> 00:18:26,141 To have two shootings in Berkeley happen on the same day before? 326 00:18:26,301 --> 00:18:28,221 Yeah, that has happened before. 327 00:18:28,381 --> 00:18:30,821 But when you have someone show up at a hospital 328 00:18:30,981 --> 00:18:33,181 that's about an hour's drive east, 329 00:18:33,341 --> 00:18:34,861 and they've got a gunshot wound, 330 00:18:35,021 --> 00:18:36,941 and they tell you that they got it in the same city 331 00:18:37,101 --> 00:18:39,141 where you've had a shooting death 332 00:18:39,301 --> 00:18:41,421 during the same time frame, 333 00:18:41,581 --> 00:18:44,181 obviously, that completely opens the door here. 334 00:18:46,061 --> 00:18:48,621 Now, the flood gates are open, 335 00:18:48,781 --> 00:18:51,581 and they've got to see if these two things are connected. 336 00:18:54,661 --> 00:18:56,941 You're going to go to the hospital 337 00:18:57,101 --> 00:18:59,341 and interview her right away, 338 00:18:59,501 --> 00:19:03,141 because you don't know how life-threatening her injury is. 339 00:19:06,901 --> 00:19:10,821 Now, Berkeley detectives are on their way out to Antioch 340 00:19:10,981 --> 00:19:12,981 to go interview this woman 341 00:19:13,141 --> 00:19:16,341 named Taishae Powell, who's in her 20s, 342 00:19:16,501 --> 00:19:19,181 who was suffering a gunshot wound to her shoulder. 343 00:19:20,101 --> 00:19:22,381 And it turns out that she's 344 00:19:22,541 --> 00:19:24,261 Sacory Knight's girlfriend. 345 00:19:27,101 --> 00:19:30,421 And on the list of violent cities in the East Bay, 346 00:19:30,581 --> 00:19:32,541 Antioch is near the top. 347 00:19:34,581 --> 00:19:38,221 The nurses and doctors out there know gunshot wounds, 348 00:19:38,381 --> 00:19:41,821 and you can tell if someone's been shot recently 349 00:19:41,981 --> 00:19:44,141 or if they've been shot, like, several hours ago. 350 00:19:44,301 --> 00:19:45,501 And that's one of the first things 351 00:19:45,661 --> 00:19:47,021 that these people are able to notice is 352 00:19:47,181 --> 00:19:50,141 this is not, like, a particularly fresh gunshot wound, 353 00:19:50,301 --> 00:19:52,421 that she's been walking around with maybe a bullet 354 00:19:52,581 --> 00:19:55,261 in her shoulder for several hours. 355 00:19:55,421 --> 00:19:57,221 So why wouldn't somebody just come right over 356 00:19:57,381 --> 00:19:58,781 and get medical treatment? 357 00:20:00,021 --> 00:20:01,981 What's going on there? There's obviously a story there. 358 00:20:06,301 --> 00:20:07,981 I ended up finding out 359 00:20:08,141 --> 00:20:11,821 that he was with his girlfriend at the time of it happening. 360 00:20:13,181 --> 00:20:16,101 And I found out that she was also shot, 361 00:20:16,261 --> 00:20:18,021 and she was also kidnapped. 362 00:20:22,501 --> 00:20:24,741 After staging the crime scene, 363 00:20:24,901 --> 00:20:28,621 Devin gets into a car with Taishae and they go off to Richmond, 364 00:20:28,781 --> 00:20:31,061 which is one or two cities over from Berkeley. 365 00:20:31,221 --> 00:20:34,421 And he gives her very specific instructions 366 00:20:34,581 --> 00:20:36,181 to get rid of the clothes. 367 00:20:36,341 --> 00:20:38,381 And if the cops find out about this, 368 00:20:38,541 --> 00:20:40,061 this is what you're going to tell them. 369 00:20:42,901 --> 00:20:44,701 From the police perspective, 370 00:20:44,861 --> 00:20:47,741 this is a murder, followed by a kidnapping, 371 00:20:47,901 --> 00:20:50,781 followed by a cover-up... 372 00:20:50,941 --> 00:20:53,381 ...because if you shoot somebody in the shoulder, 373 00:20:53,541 --> 00:20:56,621 and then, you tell them that they've got to come with you 374 00:20:56,781 --> 00:20:59,341 and help destroy evidence and stuff like that, 375 00:20:59,501 --> 00:21:02,301 you're doing that under duress, you know? 376 00:21:03,661 --> 00:21:06,821 It's hard to say that the person was a willing participant 377 00:21:06,981 --> 00:21:09,981 when they're still suffering from a gunshot wound, 378 00:21:10,141 --> 00:21:12,101 and you're giving them these instructions. 379 00:21:13,301 --> 00:21:15,021 And you can almost hear the gears clicking. 380 00:21:15,181 --> 00:21:17,141 You're a witness to a homicide. 381 00:21:17,301 --> 00:21:19,141 What happens if you don't play ball? 382 00:21:20,501 --> 00:21:22,941 This is Sacory's girlfriend. 383 00:21:23,101 --> 00:21:26,741 And what happens to her if she gives any kind of indication 384 00:21:26,901 --> 00:21:29,381 that she's going to cooperate with the police at that point? 385 00:21:31,181 --> 00:21:33,141 And Taishae acts completely 386 00:21:33,301 --> 00:21:34,661 like somebody who's in shock. 387 00:21:37,181 --> 00:21:39,741 And then, he just kind of disappears off into the night. 388 00:21:45,461 --> 00:21:47,221 After driving around with him 389 00:21:47,381 --> 00:21:50,221 for at least an hour, probably more... 390 00:21:50,381 --> 00:21:51,901 now, she's free, 391 00:21:52,061 --> 00:21:54,541 and she kind of has this first chance to kind of take 392 00:21:54,701 --> 00:21:57,661 her temperature and... and kind of try and relax a little bit. 393 00:21:57,821 --> 00:22:00,341 But she's still got a gunshot wound. 394 00:22:00,501 --> 00:22:02,901 So she ends up in Bay Point where she's got some friends, 395 00:22:03,061 --> 00:22:06,261 and they actually have to convince her 396 00:22:06,421 --> 00:22:08,301 that gunshot wounds without treatment, 397 00:22:08,461 --> 00:22:11,861 I don't know, probably not a good idea to just leave that as it is. 398 00:22:13,621 --> 00:22:15,621 But by the time she gets to the hospital, 399 00:22:15,781 --> 00:22:18,101 I think sort of the fear and the shock have 400 00:22:18,261 --> 00:22:20,261 kind of evaporated a little bit, 401 00:22:20,421 --> 00:22:22,341 and maybe some of the anger of... 402 00:22:22,501 --> 00:22:25,221 watching her boyfriend get murdered in front of her sets in, 403 00:22:25,381 --> 00:22:28,861 and she's ready to tell the police what she knows. 404 00:22:31,061 --> 00:22:32,661 The police are fortunate in this case 405 00:22:32,821 --> 00:22:34,621 that there was a surviving victim. 406 00:22:36,821 --> 00:22:39,621 When the girlfriend began to talk... 407 00:22:39,781 --> 00:22:42,581 all attention turned toward Devin. 408 00:22:45,741 --> 00:22:49,581 It turns out that Taishae is a lot more forthcoming. 409 00:22:49,741 --> 00:22:53,621 And what Taishae tells police is a real-life nightmare 410 00:22:53,781 --> 00:22:55,781 that has played out over the course 411 00:22:55,941 --> 00:22:58,181 of the previous night and the following morning. 412 00:23:15,981 --> 00:23:18,981 When police went to talk with Taishae, 413 00:23:19,141 --> 00:23:22,221 she says that there had been an altercation at the house 414 00:23:22,381 --> 00:23:25,221 and she got caught in the shooting. 415 00:23:25,381 --> 00:23:28,661 And a man named Devin had had 416 00:23:28,821 --> 00:23:32,501 an altercation with her boyfriend, who was the person who was... 417 00:23:33,421 --> 00:23:35,941 ...on the floor from two gunshot wounds. 418 00:23:42,541 --> 00:23:44,661 Once Devin is the main suspect, 419 00:23:44,821 --> 00:23:47,501 it is a race against time for the police to catch him, 420 00:23:47,661 --> 00:23:49,501 because this is a person 421 00:23:49,661 --> 00:23:53,181 who allegedly killed a friend in cold blood, 422 00:23:53,341 --> 00:23:55,221 staged it to look like a suicide, 423 00:23:55,381 --> 00:23:57,861 and then, forced the killer's girlfriend, 424 00:23:58,021 --> 00:24:00,741 who was wounded as well, to drive him around. 425 00:24:04,741 --> 00:24:07,621 What Taishae tells police is 426 00:24:07,781 --> 00:24:10,541 it all started with, basically, a nice little get-together. 427 00:24:13,061 --> 00:24:15,941 They're all roommates, living together, hanging out, 428 00:24:16,101 --> 00:24:18,341 and they decide, like, let's have a barbecue outside. 429 00:24:18,501 --> 00:24:20,941 And somewhere along the line, 430 00:24:21,101 --> 00:24:23,021 Taishae is in the kitchen. 431 00:24:23,181 --> 00:24:25,741 She spilled some water, leaves it on the kitchen floor, 432 00:24:25,901 --> 00:24:29,301 and Devin Carrihill's grandmother, Linetta, 433 00:24:29,461 --> 00:24:31,741 slips and falls and bangs her head. 434 00:24:31,901 --> 00:24:33,861 And, you know, I think anybody in that situation, 435 00:24:34,021 --> 00:24:35,381 they're going to be a little pissed off 436 00:24:35,541 --> 00:24:36,901 that their grandma had hit their head. 437 00:24:37,061 --> 00:24:39,421 Obviously, Devin gets upset, 438 00:24:39,581 --> 00:24:42,541 but it just snowballs into this big fight. 439 00:24:42,701 --> 00:24:45,021 And he's, like, yelling and screaming at everybody. 440 00:24:45,181 --> 00:24:48,341 He's blaming Taishae. Obviously, Sacory is gonna come 441 00:24:48,501 --> 00:24:50,301 to his girlfriend's defence at that point, 442 00:24:50,461 --> 00:24:53,661 and then, it just becomes, like, these two young men 443 00:24:53,821 --> 00:24:55,421 who are headbutting and... and... 444 00:24:55,581 --> 00:24:58,581 and having this, you know, big argument right there in the kitchen. 445 00:25:01,661 --> 00:25:05,061 Taishae tells police she's getting ready to apologise, 446 00:25:05,221 --> 00:25:07,221 and she thinks, you know, probably rightfully, 447 00:25:07,381 --> 00:25:10,341 like, "We should get out of here and just let the temperature cool down. 448 00:25:10,501 --> 00:25:12,101 But first, I'm going to go apologise 449 00:25:12,261 --> 00:25:14,821 for leaving the water there and not cleaning it up." 450 00:25:14,981 --> 00:25:17,341 And she's getting ready to do that. 451 00:25:17,501 --> 00:25:19,621 She... But first, she's microwaving some food in her room 452 00:25:19,781 --> 00:25:21,541 cos the barbecue is off now. 453 00:25:23,061 --> 00:25:25,381 And then, gunshots rang out. 454 00:25:25,541 --> 00:25:28,501 And she's so concerned 455 00:25:28,661 --> 00:25:30,461 with her boyfriend's safety and... 456 00:25:30,621 --> 00:25:32,941 and trying to make sure he's OK, 457 00:25:33,101 --> 00:25:35,021 and then, looking down the hallway of the room 458 00:25:35,181 --> 00:25:36,421 and realising, to her horror, 459 00:25:36,581 --> 00:25:38,861 that he's on the ground with gunshot wounds, 460 00:25:39,021 --> 00:25:40,661 that she doesn't even know right away 461 00:25:40,821 --> 00:25:42,421 that she's been shot in the shoulder. 462 00:25:42,581 --> 00:25:44,701 Then, she starts to kind of feel the blood trickling down 463 00:25:44,861 --> 00:25:46,701 and the pain kind of setting, 464 00:25:46,861 --> 00:25:49,701 and she realises that she's been hit, too. 465 00:25:49,861 --> 00:25:53,901 And from there, just pandemonium unfolds. 466 00:25:56,181 --> 00:25:58,381 Somebody gets shot in the head right in front of you. 467 00:25:58,541 --> 00:26:02,061 You've just killed one of your closest friends. 468 00:26:02,221 --> 00:26:04,021 There on the ground. They're clearly dead. 469 00:26:04,181 --> 00:26:05,981 They've got gunshot wounds to their head. 470 00:26:06,141 --> 00:26:08,701 You know, a lot of people would have a panic attack. 471 00:26:10,381 --> 00:26:12,981 And that's, by all accounts, what Devin does. 472 00:26:13,141 --> 00:26:15,661 He starts screaming. He starts pacing around the house. 473 00:26:15,821 --> 00:26:17,981 He just kind of starts going into freak-out mode, 474 00:26:18,141 --> 00:26:21,741 and it's like you've done something terrible that you can't undo. 475 00:26:23,221 --> 00:26:25,541 Apparently, his first instinct is to cover it up. 476 00:26:27,941 --> 00:26:30,221 So he starts kind of coaching everybody, like, 477 00:26:30,381 --> 00:26:31,741 "Tell them it was a suicide." You know 478 00:26:31,901 --> 00:26:33,501 "you have to do this and do that." 479 00:26:33,661 --> 00:26:36,621 And then, they're just going into this kind of haphazard, 480 00:26:36,781 --> 00:26:38,181 badly thought out, 481 00:26:38,341 --> 00:26:40,341 "you got to cover up the crime scene" thing. 482 00:26:42,781 --> 00:26:45,141 He's the one who then takes the gun 483 00:26:45,301 --> 00:26:48,461 and just slips it underneath, uh... Sacory's body. 484 00:26:48,621 --> 00:26:50,621 And then, you just start to see the gears turn 485 00:26:50,781 --> 00:26:51,981 and how he's constructing 486 00:26:52,141 --> 00:26:54,621 this suicide theory in... in real time. 487 00:26:57,621 --> 00:26:59,781 He takes off all the clothes that he was wearing, 488 00:26:59,941 --> 00:27:02,581 you know, puts them into a bag or something, and puts on new clothes. 489 00:27:02,741 --> 00:27:04,901 And actually, despite his panicking, 490 00:27:05,061 --> 00:27:07,261 and despite sort of the intensity of the situation, 491 00:27:07,421 --> 00:27:10,221 it sounds like he displays a pretty good knowledge 492 00:27:10,381 --> 00:27:11,981 of what the police are going to look for, 493 00:27:12,141 --> 00:27:14,901 because they're absolutely going to want to test the clothes. 494 00:27:16,301 --> 00:27:19,341 Another thing is that he apparently wipes his fingerprints 495 00:27:19,501 --> 00:27:21,821 and tries to wipe his own DNA off the gun, 496 00:27:21,981 --> 00:27:23,621 so he's thinking ahead of, like, 497 00:27:23,781 --> 00:27:25,861 "The cops can't find my DNA or my prints on this thing. 498 00:27:26,021 --> 00:27:27,301 They can only find his." 499 00:27:29,301 --> 00:27:32,141 And so he's... he's trying to think like a homicide investigator 500 00:27:32,301 --> 00:27:34,661 and sort of stay one step ahead of the police. 501 00:27:34,821 --> 00:27:38,021 And of course, the last step of that is simply to try and disappear 502 00:27:38,181 --> 00:27:39,381 and not let the cops find you, 503 00:27:39,541 --> 00:27:41,861 and then have a story ready for when they do. 504 00:27:47,581 --> 00:27:50,781 There would be an immediate rush to find the suspect. 505 00:27:50,941 --> 00:27:53,861 This would be a person considered armed and dangerous, 506 00:27:54,021 --> 00:27:57,661 and the investigators are already several steps behind 507 00:27:57,821 --> 00:28:00,901 because the suspect's already fled. 508 00:28:01,061 --> 00:28:04,501 That's the challenging part of these staged crimes. 509 00:28:05,741 --> 00:28:09,261 The police are going to go look in another direction... 510 00:28:10,901 --> 00:28:14,221 ...and by the time the staging is suspected, 511 00:28:14,381 --> 00:28:16,101 too much time has gone away. 512 00:28:18,621 --> 00:28:21,301 Seems like, at this point, that the cops kind of have 513 00:28:21,461 --> 00:28:24,101 a pretty clear picture of what happened here. 514 00:28:24,261 --> 00:28:27,101 And, obviously, the next thing they have to do is 515 00:28:27,261 --> 00:28:29,021 talk to Devin Carrihill and track him down. 516 00:28:29,181 --> 00:28:31,141 Because now he's become a murder fugitive, 517 00:28:31,301 --> 00:28:34,381 they don't know for a fact that he doesn't have another gun. 518 00:28:36,261 --> 00:28:39,021 Police eventually track him down to this apartment in Oakland, 519 00:28:39,181 --> 00:28:42,141 where they're able to safely arrest him 520 00:28:42,301 --> 00:28:43,861 and bring him into custody. 521 00:28:44,021 --> 00:28:47,021 And then, now, the big question is, "Is he going to talk?" 522 00:28:47,181 --> 00:28:48,821 "Is he going to give his version of events, 523 00:28:48,981 --> 00:28:52,301 and they get sort of the final piece of the story here?" 524 00:28:56,461 --> 00:29:00,221 Because everybody's story kind of leaves a little bit of ambiguity 525 00:29:00,381 --> 00:29:03,381 as to what exactly was going on when the shots were fired. 526 00:29:03,541 --> 00:29:06,061 Linetta was in her bedroom because she hit her head. 527 00:29:08,061 --> 00:29:10,341 Taishae was microwaving food, 528 00:29:10,501 --> 00:29:13,941 and everybody heard yelling, and they heard signs of an argument, 529 00:29:14,101 --> 00:29:16,861 but they don't exactly know what went down. 530 00:29:20,541 --> 00:29:22,301 The other thing the police do is 531 00:29:22,461 --> 00:29:24,781 they go back to Linetta. 532 00:29:26,421 --> 00:29:28,061 And she says just enough 533 00:29:28,221 --> 00:29:30,181 to get herself arrested for accessory. 534 00:29:32,901 --> 00:29:35,541 It turns out Devin IS willing to speak with investigators, 535 00:29:35,701 --> 00:29:37,461 which you don't always see. 536 00:29:37,621 --> 00:29:40,581 But what he tells them is what the police described 537 00:29:40,741 --> 00:29:42,661 as multiple versions of sort of 538 00:29:42,821 --> 00:29:45,021 the crucial moments before the gunfire, 539 00:29:45,181 --> 00:29:48,021 where one of the things that he stuck to was that... 540 00:29:48,181 --> 00:29:50,461 they began fighting and struggling over the gun, 541 00:29:50,621 --> 00:29:53,661 and then, it kind of accidentally goes off during this whole fight. 542 00:29:53,821 --> 00:29:55,821 Now, that doesn't necessarily account 543 00:29:55,981 --> 00:29:57,981 for three bullets being fired, 544 00:29:58,141 --> 00:30:01,581 because usually one gunshot gets fired accidentally. 545 00:30:01,741 --> 00:30:04,941 Everybody kind of jumps back, and that's what you'd expect, right? 546 00:30:05,101 --> 00:30:06,821 So the police don't buy his story. 547 00:30:08,701 --> 00:30:11,861 At that point, Devin's arrested for murder, gun possession, 548 00:30:12,021 --> 00:30:14,421 and he's also arrested on suspicion of kidnapping 549 00:30:14,581 --> 00:30:16,381 because of that whole ordeal 550 00:30:16,541 --> 00:30:18,821 that he puts Sacory's girlfriend through 551 00:30:18,981 --> 00:30:21,021 following the fatal gunshots. 552 00:30:25,661 --> 00:30:28,501 When Devin finally admits to the shooting 553 00:30:28,661 --> 00:30:30,901 and the staging of the scene, 554 00:30:31,061 --> 00:30:34,981 police have to get corroborating evidence to back it up 555 00:30:35,141 --> 00:30:36,461 because, at any time, he could say, 556 00:30:36,621 --> 00:30:38,421 "I was coerced into this," 557 00:30:38,581 --> 00:30:40,781 or "No, I didn't mean any of that. I... 558 00:30:40,941 --> 00:30:42,901 I was just playing with you." I mean... 559 00:30:43,061 --> 00:30:45,301 there are any number of ways he could retract his confession. 560 00:30:50,301 --> 00:30:53,701 I was told that it was, like, over... 561 00:30:53,861 --> 00:30:57,381 the grandmother falling in a wet spot. 562 00:31:00,101 --> 00:31:01,901 I was just shocked... 563 00:31:02,061 --> 00:31:04,501 because they had been friends for years. 564 00:31:05,621 --> 00:31:07,341 So I just didn't understand 565 00:31:07,501 --> 00:31:10,581 how it just turned like that so quick. 566 00:31:13,341 --> 00:31:15,301 One of the saddest things about it, man, 567 00:31:15,461 --> 00:31:17,901 is that Sacory and Devin have been friends for years. 568 00:31:18,061 --> 00:31:19,261 They're all living together, 569 00:31:19,421 --> 00:31:21,701 and they're basically like family friends 570 00:31:21,861 --> 00:31:25,781 who have all apparently been cool for a really long time. 571 00:31:28,501 --> 00:31:31,341 There's no reason for deadly violence 572 00:31:31,501 --> 00:31:33,541 to come from this situation. 573 00:31:43,261 --> 00:31:45,221 Staging a suicide 574 00:31:45,381 --> 00:31:48,461 and blaming their death on the victim, 575 00:31:48,621 --> 00:31:50,421 even after the fact, 576 00:31:50,581 --> 00:31:52,261 it does make the crime seem more egregious. 577 00:31:54,061 --> 00:31:56,461 It shows that the perpetrator knew 578 00:31:56,621 --> 00:31:57,941 they did something wrong 579 00:31:58,101 --> 00:32:00,701 and wanted to get away and get away now. 580 00:32:16,301 --> 00:32:18,021 Murder is basically defined 581 00:32:18,181 --> 00:32:20,701 as the killing of a human being with malice aforethought. 582 00:32:21,661 --> 00:32:24,821 You have to directly kill somebody in sort of the ways 583 00:32:24,981 --> 00:32:27,101 that anybody would imagine a murder going down, 584 00:32:27,261 --> 00:32:31,421 or you have to act so dangerously 585 00:32:31,581 --> 00:32:33,821 that the danger to human life is obvious. 586 00:32:33,981 --> 00:32:36,981 You know, like driving down Main Street at 80 miles an hour 587 00:32:37,141 --> 00:32:40,101 or shooting a gun out just haphazardly around, 588 00:32:40,261 --> 00:32:42,061 not caring, like, who it hits. 589 00:32:43,701 --> 00:32:46,501 Voluntary manslaughter is a little bit more complicated 590 00:32:46,661 --> 00:32:48,021 under the law compared to murder. 591 00:32:48,181 --> 00:32:50,781 Manslaughter, at least in California, 592 00:32:50,941 --> 00:32:54,181 can be boiled down to two things, which is: 593 00:32:54,341 --> 00:32:57,941 the unlawful killing of someone in the heat of passion. 594 00:32:58,101 --> 00:33:00,501 And that has a specific definition 595 00:33:00,661 --> 00:33:02,941 that requires something 596 00:33:03,101 --> 00:33:05,981 that would be, like, universally accepted as enough 597 00:33:06,141 --> 00:33:08,621 to just, like, rile somebody up so much 598 00:33:08,781 --> 00:33:12,101 that it lessens the severity of what they did legally a little bit. 599 00:33:12,261 --> 00:33:15,021 Or what they call "imperfect self-defence," 600 00:33:15,181 --> 00:33:18,301 which is like if someone's, like, beating the hell out of you 601 00:33:18,461 --> 00:33:20,421 and you shoot them, you might be able 602 00:33:20,581 --> 00:33:22,981 to make an argument that that was imperfect self-defence 603 00:33:23,141 --> 00:33:26,101 because, you know, it's obviously not fair 604 00:33:26,261 --> 00:33:28,381 that you'd bring a gun to a fistfight. 605 00:33:28,541 --> 00:33:30,581 But if you were really getting your ass handed to you, 606 00:33:30,741 --> 00:33:33,381 then, maybe, there's an argument to be made 607 00:33:33,541 --> 00:33:35,381 that it's something slightly less than murder. 608 00:33:37,781 --> 00:33:40,261 If they're charging him with first-degree murder, 609 00:33:40,421 --> 00:33:44,261 they have to show a premeditated intent. 610 00:33:44,421 --> 00:33:46,421 I think that would be very difficult, 611 00:33:46,581 --> 00:33:47,981 given the behaviour at the scene 612 00:33:48,141 --> 00:33:50,261 and the various stories that they've been told. 613 00:33:57,261 --> 00:33:59,421 There was no premeditation. 614 00:33:59,581 --> 00:34:02,141 They couldn't prove that he had the intent to kill Sacory 615 00:34:02,301 --> 00:34:04,661 because, uh... a couple of things. 616 00:34:04,821 --> 00:34:06,501 One is... 617 00:34:06,661 --> 00:34:08,541 it is confirmed that the two got in a fight, 618 00:34:08,701 --> 00:34:10,781 which led to a shooting. 619 00:34:12,101 --> 00:34:14,101 That day, he didn't wake up and say, 620 00:34:14,261 --> 00:34:16,021 "I think I'm going to kill Sacory." 621 00:34:17,061 --> 00:34:19,261 He didn't say, 622 00:34:19,421 --> 00:34:22,581 "I'm going to kill him" when they first started arguing. 623 00:34:23,981 --> 00:34:25,901 But he ended up killing him 624 00:34:26,061 --> 00:34:28,021 when the argument turned violent. 625 00:34:28,181 --> 00:34:29,821 So you couldn't disprove 626 00:34:29,981 --> 00:34:32,501 that he may have acted in self-defence, 627 00:34:32,661 --> 00:34:35,181 or thought he was acting in self-defence. 628 00:34:35,341 --> 00:34:38,061 And if his story is self-defence 629 00:34:38,221 --> 00:34:40,781 or is sudden provocation, 630 00:34:40,941 --> 00:34:44,781 without any other evidence pointing to such things 631 00:34:44,941 --> 00:34:48,301 as lying in wait or premeditation, 632 00:34:48,461 --> 00:34:51,781 you can't prove that he had the intent to murder before he murdered. 633 00:34:51,941 --> 00:34:55,741 When his attorney's offering voluntary manslaughter, 634 00:34:55,901 --> 00:34:57,461 and they accept it. 635 00:34:57,621 --> 00:35:01,501 I think they're conceding that... they probably would have a hard time 636 00:35:01,661 --> 00:35:04,221 making a first-degree murder charge stick. 637 00:35:07,581 --> 00:35:09,701 This part of California, 638 00:35:09,861 --> 00:35:13,021 you're not going to see more murder cases anywhere else. 639 00:35:13,181 --> 00:35:15,981 The courts are really just oversaturated 640 00:35:16,141 --> 00:35:18,661 with felonies in this part of the Bay area. 641 00:35:20,181 --> 00:35:23,021 What happened in Devin's case is what happens in a lot of cases. 642 00:35:23,181 --> 00:35:25,941 It's sat exactly where it was for years. 643 00:35:26,101 --> 00:35:27,661 And that whole time, he's sitting in the jail 644 00:35:27,821 --> 00:35:31,381 just waiting for some sort of resolution or anything. 645 00:35:33,861 --> 00:35:36,501 If this had gone to trial, and if he had tried to argue, 646 00:35:36,661 --> 00:35:37,981 "Hey, this was a suicide," 647 00:35:38,141 --> 00:35:41,141 then the prosecutors would have ALL this evidence 648 00:35:41,301 --> 00:35:44,901 to show that not only was it NOT a suicide, 649 00:35:45,061 --> 00:35:47,661 but if you argue something else like self-defence, 650 00:35:47,821 --> 00:35:50,581 or that the gun went off during a struggle, 651 00:35:50,741 --> 00:35:54,421 the cover-up then becomes proof of consciousness of guilt. 652 00:35:54,581 --> 00:35:56,461 Like, if you don't know that you did something wrong, 653 00:35:56,621 --> 00:36:00,261 you wouldn't drive somebody who's bleeding out from a gunshot wound 654 00:36:00,421 --> 00:36:02,941 around the Bay area, and then, burn your clothes, 655 00:36:03,101 --> 00:36:05,141 and then, do all this other stuff. 656 00:36:07,141 --> 00:36:10,461 Nobody would go to all that trouble and bring in all these people 657 00:36:10,621 --> 00:36:13,301 and make their own grandmother part of the cover-up, 658 00:36:13,461 --> 00:36:15,461 unless they knew that they did something wrong. 659 00:36:15,621 --> 00:36:18,941 So, in court, it becomes, like, a very big weapon 660 00:36:19,101 --> 00:36:21,621 for the prosecutors can yield in... 661 00:36:21,781 --> 00:36:24,341 in order to prove a murder if they need to. 662 00:36:27,821 --> 00:36:30,661 In this case, as I recall, doesn't even go past 663 00:36:30,821 --> 00:36:33,261 the preliminary hearing where a judge will look at the evidence 664 00:36:33,421 --> 00:36:35,261 and say, "Hey, there is enough, there's not enough." 665 00:36:35,421 --> 00:36:36,501 Doesn't even get that far. 666 00:36:41,221 --> 00:36:42,941 After four years. 667 00:36:43,101 --> 00:36:45,221 It just resolves kind of quietly 668 00:36:45,381 --> 00:36:48,101 to where he pleads guilty 669 00:36:48,261 --> 00:36:51,421 or no contest to voluntary manslaughter. 670 00:36:51,581 --> 00:36:54,981 And he's sentenced to 11 years in state prison 671 00:36:55,141 --> 00:36:58,101 with the time that he's already served already on the books. 672 00:37:00,541 --> 00:37:03,621 I assumed that we were going to get justice. 673 00:37:03,781 --> 00:37:06,341 I assumed that my family... 674 00:37:06,501 --> 00:37:08,141 was going to be able to live their life, 675 00:37:08,301 --> 00:37:10,941 knowing that this guy was going to be behind bars forever. 676 00:37:12,101 --> 00:37:14,141 Unfortunately, that did not happen. 677 00:37:16,341 --> 00:37:19,501 I definitely feel like it was an injustice because... 678 00:37:20,661 --> 00:37:22,941 ...not only was a life taken, 679 00:37:23,101 --> 00:37:25,941 but another person was injured and kidnapped. 680 00:37:26,101 --> 00:37:28,381 And I just feel like... 681 00:37:28,541 --> 00:37:31,261 it just wasn't taken seriously 682 00:37:31,421 --> 00:37:32,701 as it should have been. 683 00:37:35,661 --> 00:37:38,621 I don't think that they feel that Sacory Knight matters. 684 00:37:39,501 --> 00:37:41,381 It was just on the news, 685 00:37:41,541 --> 00:37:43,461 and then, it slowly went away. 686 00:37:45,781 --> 00:37:49,421 They didn't take the time to truly put this guy behind bars. 687 00:37:49,581 --> 00:37:51,661 It's not fair. 688 00:37:53,781 --> 00:37:56,861 I could see how the family of the deceased... 689 00:37:57,021 --> 00:38:00,981 may see it as his life was only worth 11 years. 690 00:38:01,821 --> 00:38:04,981 And people who commit 691 00:38:05,141 --> 00:38:08,141 far less serious crimes than taking a life 692 00:38:08,301 --> 00:38:10,461 get far more serious sentences. 693 00:38:11,821 --> 00:38:14,941 And, unfortunately, it's the charge that they were able to prove. 694 00:38:15,101 --> 00:38:16,741 And he did get the maximum. 695 00:38:16,901 --> 00:38:19,581 And I'm certain that the judge would have given him more 696 00:38:19,741 --> 00:38:21,461 if he had the opportunity to. 697 00:38:25,701 --> 00:38:27,461 Devin will be home... 698 00:38:28,581 --> 00:38:31,701 ...before my niece is ten, and she's four. 699 00:38:31,861 --> 00:38:34,861 She was a baby when Sacory died. 700 00:38:35,021 --> 00:38:37,821 He held her like it was his child 701 00:38:37,981 --> 00:38:39,981 because he wanted to be a father. 702 00:38:40,141 --> 00:38:43,701 And that's the only image I will ever be able to remember of him 703 00:38:43,861 --> 00:38:46,021 having his own child is his niece. 704 00:38:51,861 --> 00:38:54,261 An 11-year term is a... 705 00:38:54,421 --> 00:38:57,101 a significant interruption of someone's life... 706 00:38:58,181 --> 00:39:01,061 ...in terms of their family, in terms of their relationship. 707 00:39:01,901 --> 00:39:05,821 It may not be as much as the victim's family wants. 708 00:39:05,981 --> 00:39:07,421 It's something. 709 00:39:07,581 --> 00:39:11,341 And, sometimes, the justice system can't go all the way. 710 00:39:15,101 --> 00:39:16,981 There's a couple things that I think about 711 00:39:17,141 --> 00:39:19,141 when I look back on this. 712 00:39:19,301 --> 00:39:23,061 One of them is how any of us could find ourselves 713 00:39:23,221 --> 00:39:25,261 in this nightmarish situation where... 714 00:39:25,421 --> 00:39:30,021 we're basically being kidnapped by your loved one's murderer 715 00:39:30,181 --> 00:39:31,581 in the blink of an eye. 716 00:39:31,741 --> 00:39:34,061 Where, one second, you're microwaving food, 717 00:39:34,221 --> 00:39:35,541 the next few minutes go by, and then, 718 00:39:35,701 --> 00:39:37,781 you're stuck in a car with a responsible person, 719 00:39:37,941 --> 00:39:40,421 and you don't know exactly how the night's going to go. 720 00:39:41,501 --> 00:39:43,021 You know, are you going 721 00:39:43,181 --> 00:39:44,781 to end up in a ditch somewhere, 722 00:39:44,941 --> 00:39:47,341 or are you going to even be able to get out of this situation? 723 00:39:47,501 --> 00:39:48,821 And the other thing, 724 00:39:48,981 --> 00:39:51,861 just from a newspaper reporter perspective, is... 725 00:39:52,021 --> 00:39:55,301 I've never seen an instance where somebody dragged their grandma 726 00:39:55,461 --> 00:39:58,101 into, like, the cover up for a homicide before. 727 00:39:58,261 --> 00:39:59,861 You know, a woman in her 70s... 728 00:40:01,621 --> 00:40:04,541 ...who I don't think was fully committed 729 00:40:04,701 --> 00:40:05,901 to covering it up. 730 00:40:06,061 --> 00:40:08,061 But she also didn't want to get her grandson in trouble. 731 00:40:08,221 --> 00:40:09,781 But just by saying just enough, 732 00:40:09,941 --> 00:40:13,101 she now has, like, accessory to murder on her arrest record. 733 00:40:16,461 --> 00:40:19,141 I'm just sad that my nephew laid 734 00:40:19,301 --> 00:40:20,981 on that ground for... 735 00:40:22,341 --> 00:40:23,901 ...30 minutes... 736 00:40:24,061 --> 00:40:26,261 with the grandmother... 737 00:40:27,421 --> 00:40:29,421 ...waiting to call for help. 738 00:40:32,581 --> 00:40:34,981 In the end, Linetta ends up not getting charged. 739 00:40:35,141 --> 00:40:38,221 But just taking someone into custody for a crime 740 00:40:38,381 --> 00:40:40,701 that has the word "murder" on the end of it, 741 00:40:40,861 --> 00:40:42,661 it's a pretty big deal, and you've got 742 00:40:42,821 --> 00:40:45,461 to sit in a holding tank and think about, you know, 743 00:40:45,621 --> 00:40:47,781 what are the next few years of my life going to look like here? 744 00:40:47,941 --> 00:40:49,101 And what do I want to do? 745 00:40:54,461 --> 00:40:56,541 It's really sad to think about 746 00:40:56,701 --> 00:40:59,421 how a barbecue between lifelong friends 747 00:40:59,581 --> 00:41:01,301 could devolve into something like this, 748 00:41:01,461 --> 00:41:03,861 where one young man's lost his life. 749 00:41:04,021 --> 00:41:05,821 You know, the other people who were there witnessed 750 00:41:05,981 --> 00:41:07,141 this horrible thing happen, 751 00:41:07,301 --> 00:41:10,461 and they're probably irrevocably scarred by that. 752 00:41:10,621 --> 00:41:12,581 And then, you know, you have somebody 753 00:41:12,741 --> 00:41:15,821 who had just graduated high school a couple of years ago. 754 00:41:15,981 --> 00:41:19,141 And when you're that young, 22, 23, 755 00:41:19,301 --> 00:41:21,861 you have sort of the whole world right there at your fingertips, 756 00:41:22,021 --> 00:41:23,661 and you have all these different options. 757 00:41:23,821 --> 00:41:26,701 And now, he's got his whole entire 20s to spend in... 758 00:41:26,861 --> 00:41:28,141 in state prison. 759 00:41:30,541 --> 00:41:32,421 You know, you have a family 760 00:41:32,581 --> 00:41:35,901 that is never going to get over the loss of their loved one 761 00:41:36,061 --> 00:41:39,661 and who I'm sure probably doesn't think 762 00:41:39,821 --> 00:41:43,581 that 11 years is very fair to, 763 00:41:43,741 --> 00:41:46,181 you know, compensate for the loss of a human life. 764 00:41:48,621 --> 00:41:51,781 I just hope that people remember my brother, 765 00:41:51,941 --> 00:41:53,661 remember him for being funny. 766 00:41:53,821 --> 00:41:56,901 He was very funny, funnier than me, 767 00:41:57,061 --> 00:41:58,101 and I'm pretty funny. 768 00:41:58,261 --> 00:42:00,021 And he was just, like... 769 00:42:00,181 --> 00:42:01,621 he put everybody in a good mood. 770 00:42:01,781 --> 00:42:03,861 Like, he was always cracking a joke. 771 00:42:04,021 --> 00:42:07,661 Um... Good with kids, good with his nephews and nieces. 772 00:42:07,821 --> 00:42:10,981 And we just miss him. Yeah. 773 00:42:13,701 --> 00:42:15,501 He was a son. 774 00:42:15,661 --> 00:42:17,061 He was a brother. 775 00:42:17,221 --> 00:42:18,661 He was an uncle. 776 00:42:18,821 --> 00:42:20,181 He was a friend. 777 00:42:21,981 --> 00:42:23,581 He was a coworker. 778 00:42:23,741 --> 00:42:25,061 He was a classmate. 779 00:42:25,221 --> 00:42:26,541 He was somebody. 780 00:42:26,701 --> 00:42:28,981 And to be taken away from this Earth... 781 00:42:29,981 --> 00:42:31,901 ...it's just... it's just hurtful. 782 00:42:34,541 --> 00:42:37,021 This is the loss of a loved one. 783 00:42:37,181 --> 00:42:39,341 And the legal system is designed 784 00:42:39,501 --> 00:42:42,261 to punish wrongdoing, 785 00:42:42,421 --> 00:42:44,341 not to heal grief. 786 00:42:46,781 --> 00:42:49,901 No legal system is attempting to provide closure. 787 00:42:50,061 --> 00:42:51,741 Closure is about emotions. 788 00:42:53,301 --> 00:42:56,861 They're really attempting to offer justice... 789 00:42:57,021 --> 00:42:58,021 in some form. 790 00:42:58,181 --> 00:43:01,221 Sometimes, it's imperfect justice, but something will happen. 791 00:43:01,381 --> 00:43:03,221 There will be some accountability. 792 00:43:05,261 --> 00:43:07,581 We've all been in situations where we get pissed off 793 00:43:07,741 --> 00:43:09,381 at the people closest to us. 794 00:43:10,301 --> 00:43:13,141 And you've just got to think that, if cooler heads had prevailed there, 795 00:43:13,301 --> 00:43:14,981 everybody's life would be so much better. 796 00:43:19,141 --> 00:43:21,581 I try to remember my nephew's life, 797 00:43:21,741 --> 00:43:24,661 how happy he was, 798 00:43:24,821 --> 00:43:27,301 how great he was, 799 00:43:27,461 --> 00:43:29,461 what kind of man he wanted to be. 800 00:43:30,741 --> 00:43:34,621 It's unfortunate that his nephews will never get to see that, 801 00:43:34,781 --> 00:43:36,541 the man that he was trying to be. 802 00:44:03,581 --> 00:44:07,981 Subtitles by Sky Access Services